tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post2751428461857271180..comments2024-03-29T09:18:29.382+09:00Comments on What a Horrible Night to Have a Curse...: Want a Theory of RPGs? Start with theories of games.Dennis Laffeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03053699552003336733noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-14599213037240703502018-03-27T00:11:48.095+09:002018-03-27T00:11:48.095+09:00@JB
There's no point in "wondering aloud...@JB<br /><br />There's no point in "wondering aloud" about a question you could just ask me.<br /><br />I am literally the only person who could answer your question.<br /><br />So whether or not you were _attempting to address me_ you were presenting a problem only I can solve: your misunderstanding of my post.<br /><br />So I have corrected that misunderstanding out of sheer generosity, as when someone, unbidden, picks up the keys you dropped and hands them to you.<br /><br />In the futures: next time you are "wondering" about a question only one person can answer: ask that person. There is nothing to be afraid of, and your curiosity will likely be assuaged immediately.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-64170256489964669482018-03-25T03:09:06.553+09:002018-03-25T03:09:06.553+09:00I agree with Juul. Are RPGs games? Definitely kind...I agree with Juul. Are RPGs games? Definitely kinda sorta! Are they stories? Again, sort of. Are they theater? Well they might share some elements sometimes but not really, not usually. RPGs are great because they dip their freaky little toes in all these different waters without making a big splash in anyone. Usually that is. caelumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06888115424314880441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-16829761432568135952018-03-25T01:41:11.925+09:002018-03-25T01:41:11.925+09:00@ Zak:
My response wasn't meant for you, else...@ Zak:<br /><br />My response wasn't meant for you, else I would have commented on your blog. I have no criticism to post, certainly nothing I want to enumerate at this time. I stated an opinion ("I think..."). My question ("...because folks feel bad...?") is an actual wondering aloud, because it was unclear to me from your post. Regardless, it wasn't something I felt necessary in pursuing, else I would have put the question to you...again, on your blog.<br /><br />@ Dennis: sorry for hijacking your blog thread.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-41391318771125288802018-03-24T23:27:04.579+09:002018-03-24T23:27:04.579+09:00Yes, the basketball ref gets to decide if the rule...Yes, the basketball ref gets to decide if the rule was broken or not. But he doesn't get to change the rule on the spot. The ref can't suddenly call a player for charging and decide to arbitrarily award 10 points to the other team. The rules are fixed in basketball. In table top RPGs, less so. That's what Juul is saying. I did provide the link to the article so you can see what he said (he only mentions TTRPGs briefly actually, but read his section describing fixed rules).Dennis Laffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03053699552003336733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-71145908137307306742018-03-24T23:11:07.743+09:002018-03-24T23:11:07.743+09:00The ref in a basketball game is the ultimate autho...The ref in a basketball game is the ultimate authority on a few points such as charging. The existence of a ref does not keep a game from being a game.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-39741336105784523902018-03-24T13:30:54.761+09:002018-03-24T13:30:54.761+09:00I think it’s a good, but incomplete definition. I’...I think it’s a good, but incomplete definition. I’m not sure there is a complete definition. Scott Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067161332003628237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-13479590031806595332018-03-24T13:09:29.678+09:002018-03-24T13:09:29.678+09:00I'll touch on that in a future post, but as Yn...I'll touch on that in a future post, but as Ynas says, it's not the presence of a referee, it's the ability of the ref to change the rules, sometimes on the spot, that put TTRPGS on the border according to Juul. <br /><br />You don't need to accept his definition if you don't find it adequate, Scott.Dennis Laffeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03053699552003336733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-68565052559931209242018-03-24T08:02:06.689+09:002018-03-24T08:02:06.689+09:00I don't think the paper claims that. You could...I don't think the paper claims that. You could replace a football referee with a software that makes the calls because the rules are very rigorous - it wouldn't essentially make a difference.<br /><br />If you swapped the GM with an algorithm, though, you'd make it a different thing.Ynas Midgardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972628887096890642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-41884419461950744832018-03-24T07:18:18.882+09:002018-03-24T07:18:18.882+09:00I didn't say anything about feelings, JB, I sa...I didn't say anything about feelings, JB, I said the term "incoherent" was inconsistently defined but never used in a positive context.<br /><br /><br />And, JB, next time you have a criticism, the productive path is to confront the person who you would like to criticize.<br /><br />Then you could actually, like, if I missed the point tell me where<br /><br />As for Dennis' OP:<br /><br />Thanks! that was helpfulZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-57600458751665114992018-03-24T02:46:30.995+09:002018-03-24T02:46:30.995+09:00Games with referees or judges aren’t games? That’s...Games with referees or judges aren’t games? That’s a strange claim to make. Scott Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067161332003628237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-41966499213422753592018-03-24T01:53:16.773+09:002018-03-24T01:53:16.773+09:00Hmm. Having now read his (first) essay, I think he...Hmm. Having now read his (first) essay, I think he missed the point in more than a few places. <br /><br />'Course, I'm not sure the reason for the fuss in the first place. Because folks feel bad when their game of choice is called "incoherent" by someone armed with an old theory? Gosh, if you're a gamer (or game designer) you're going to have to put up with worse barbs than that!<br /><br />Such fragile egos we have...JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5255299705122830812.post-68217268399940524442018-03-24T01:00:26.645+09:002018-03-24T01:00:26.645+09:00Huh. I don't usually read that guy's blog,...Huh. I don't usually read that guy's blog, but I might take a look at this post. I've had Edwards on my mind a lot since I became aware of his most recent efforts (which I haven't yet had a chance to write about).<br /><br />On a different note, just got my print copy of Chanbara in the mail and stayed up way too late flipping through it last night. Good work! My first impressions are: A) perhaps not as aesthetically pleasing as Flying Swordsmen, B) absolutely chock FULL of stuff game, perhaps more so than FS (I'll have to go do a comparison review), and C) perhaps the best treatment of fantasy feudal Japan I've ever seen. <br /><br />Right now I have a lot on my plate, but I'll try to get a review up on Ye Old Blog before I wing off to Mexico next week. Congrats on getting it out!JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.com